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Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 05.06.2012 00:27:41
hi all i recently start playing sr2 reboot and i must say i love it because it force u to think

i need your help i want to play on 200% difficulty i know if i can live for 5 years i can beat the game but dominators are so aggressive that its nearly impossible to survive
first i think peleng pirate or fereyan mercenery is best starting race (beacuse of missile launcher)
second i realy dont know how to make money at the start because there is no mission(the best way i found is to use that artifact to call keller army in another dominator system then use a camouflage and loot everything)
third i am not sure how the game decide to give u a new rts mission (best source of money in my view) if i can manipulate the game to give me more rts mission i wont have any problem
oh i almost forget how do u farm keller for artifact with weak defense (in the beginning when u have 200 hull keller kill u with any of its attack) when keller come out of its black hole it kill me in a second i cant go even near its black hole  :confused:
i am sorry for my bad english its not my native language

edit: i just thinking what about doing some illegal trade (like selling drugs) and going to jail u actually can make some money in jail what do u think about it?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 05.06.2012 03:32:48
Hey  :fly:
 If you have problems with survival then kill Keller as fast as you can,  then dominators will stop disturbing.  About his damage... Dont get  around near him. When you see that he jumps to hole, follow him and dont  change trajectory then hole will never close. So you can jump into hole with full health.
 
 About problems with money, Im sure there is 1 good way - commerce  (mostly luxury). Drugs and jail will not give you much money, with  luxury you can get them much faster. I hope you know how to get starting  capital? When you are starting game, pick training for beginners. You  can get money from saling technics (right after you complated mission  with medicaments). Technics appear about 2 months, cost is constant, you  can buy it with 64 cr and sale with 90 cr. In end you will get  10000-30000 cr depends of how fast you acted with trade. After it you can do not finish training if you want. Next stage is killing Keller.
 
 Missions isnt really good for money, but you can take some missions if  there are 3 pirates in system or 2 pirates which are attacking somebody.  Not much financial help but good chance for artifact.

first i think peleng pirate or fereyan mercenery is best starting race (beacuse of missile launcher)
 second i realy dont know how to make money at the start because there is  no mission(the best way i found is to use that artifact to call keller  army in another dominator system then use a camouflage and loot  everything)
 
starting race is normal. But some players pick gaalian (dealer). He hasnt rockets but has some other advantages.
With artifact which call kelleroids is good idea. But also explore uninhabited planets. Sometimes its very useful.

Ofc you may do not kill Keller, but game is harder if hes alive. I think that killing is best way for you.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 05.06.2012 08:07:58
many thanks for fast replay
i always do full medic (no radar no weapon for maximum space) then techi (machinery) but problem start when both get exusted i also know about dumping goods on a planet couse  buying price to lower to the point that no one sell anything on that planet and planet starve to death then i remove goods for some turn and come back to sell them to insane price (maybe i am too lazy beacuse on easier difficulty price ranges are very large lol :P)

and i do as u say actually i do it both at the same time explore the unhabited planet and calling keller army at the same time but after awail it become too tedius :S

about mission i only want planetery mission (robot war) almost always 2000 experiance and alot of money + good chance of artifact

hmm i think for first time around i do as u say i kill keller (also i am not good with arcade games :S) and next game i dont kill it :P many thanks

another question it seems i can force the game to go up in technology (from what i read), is that depends on my total cr (equipment + money)?

edit: how do u know dominators have high tech equipment? i mostly look to their armor and shield i think one with high shield and armor probably have highest tech i ask this question beacuse for me weapon of choice is vertix or if i have lots of micro modle imm9000 (seems to me withough any thing vertix have highest damage but with good equipment and lots of micro fragment do more damage)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 05.06.2012 11:24:28
another question it seems i can force the game to go up in technology  (from what i read), is that depends on my total cr (equipment + money)?
 
Nope, equipment and money affects to equipment or artefacts which can be  founded on unhabited planets (not sure about money, but equipment  affects for sure). If you have good equipment then you can find 100% of  items which were generated from start, if you have bad equipment then  you will found fuel tank instead of expensive artefacts and expensive  equipment (As I know).
 
 
   how do u know dominators have high tech equipment? i mostly look to  their armor and shield i think one with high shield and armor probably  have highest tech i ask this question beacuse for me weapon of choice is  vertix or if i have lots of micro modle imm9000 (seems to me withough  any thing vertix have highest damage but with good equipment and lots of  micro fragment do more damage)                                                                                                                                           
 
What version of sr2 you have? Its important.
 
 If you have not old version then cheat shift+ctrl+Vertix will show galactic tech  level. There are 8 levels of galactic technology. (1-8 or A-H). first  level - A, second - B .... 8th - H. When you type cheat for Vertix, game  gives to you 5 Vertixes where you can see that level. Dont forget to  load clear save after that =)
 So these levels are important if you are playing for hight result. When  galactic has 4th level (D), you can drop multi-resonator from dominator  after kill. 6th (F) level allows to drop Vertix from dominator. I dont  remember what level you need for dropping IMHO-9000, probably its 5th  (E).
 If you have first versions of game (like 1.0) then I dont know how to know galactic level except using trainer.
 
 
another question it seems i can force the game to go up in technology
Hmmm I cant say that you can directly do it. Speed of Technology's evolution depends of amout of planets. Look to amount of industrial planets, if you have many industrial planets then evolution goes faster.. As you understand, when you have more than 3 systems all types of dominators attacking systems. When its 3 or lower - only Keller attacks systems. So for 200% difficulty you cant get many industrial planets. So for greater speed of evolution your task is generate many indistrial planets from start and dont let dominators occupy systems with them. Why only industrial? Becouse equipment appears faster on that planets.

If you want know more about all that mechanism... Every planet has his own technic level (also from 1 to 8). levels of planets are rising during game, mostly its random process. But for industrial planets its higher, for agrarian lower. Summary all planet's levels make overall level (galactic technic level, as I told already). Planets with high level has better equipment in shop. You can know personal planet's level by using trainer only. theoretical its possible without trainer, but harder.

So if you decided play good, maybe some tricks will help you, if you dont know them. As i told already, its cheat-code Vertix, which shows to you galactic level. Cheat shift+ctrl+drop will show equipment of nearest ship. Very useful when you are trying to get weapon or something from dominator. You can see if that think matches to you. For example if you see good weapon in dominator and drop his equipment, you can compare galactic level and weapon's level. If weapon's level is higher than galactic level then you will never get it without cheats.

Heh its for new versions of game where you can know galactic level and equipment level easy by using cheat-codes, for old versions you can judge about equipment level only from their characteristic. And dont forget load clear save if you used cheat-code, if you wanna have fair final result.
Also if you explore all unhabited planets, maybe more easy to use trainer for it, its much faster than exploring randomly all planets. Also you can see all equipment in galactic, levels of planets... Precautionary measures are same like after using cheat-codes, you should download old clear save.

EDIT: sorry, I saw that you have 2.0 after I wrote whole post :D Im too lazy to edit it after that =) By the way, do you use protect from SNK?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 05.06.2012 13:07:02
wow lots of information i realy appriciate it thanks i love when i know what i am doing :)

 

 Nope, equipment and money affects to equipment or artefacts which can be  founded on unhabited planets (not sure about money, but equipment  affects for sure). If you have good equipment then you can find 100% of  items which were generated from start, if you have bad equipment then  you will found fuel tank instead of expensive artefacts and expensive  equipment (As I know).


so u mean its better to wait so i have better equipment then exploring unhabitat planets? to get better equipment, artifacts?
 
 

By the way, do you use protect from SNK?

 :shy: what is protect from SNK?

about trainers it seems i cant find the one u mention (all of them just give money) most likely those trainers are for russia verion of the game :(

another thing that i just noticed in my last game is that gallian seems to overpower any other race or maybe its beacuse i always started as a gallian merchant? usually their warship are way more powerfull than other races in term of protection and weaponry. is that why people start as gallian so their homeworld have better protection?

hmm another question: is there anyway to kill keller completly (not sending him away) withought sience station program? i just tried to kill it in a seemingly endless loop every time it regenerate to full health  :( (i dont like to send such a monster to someone else territory its against my morality :D LOL)





Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 05.06.2012 14:13:24
wow lots of information i realy appriciate it thanks i love when i know what i am doing :)
so u mean its better to wait so i have better equipment then exploring unhabitat planets? to get better equipment, artifacts?

I won't recommend exploring those planets before 3303 or better 3304 or you will find nothing apart from micromodules and very low-quality equipment. Don't forget to explore each planet complently since each of them can contain red modules. :-P

:shy: what is protect from SNK?

Nevermind then. :-)

another thing that i just noticed in my last game is that gallian seems to overpower any other race or maybe its beacuse i always started as a gallian merchant? usually their warship are way more powerfull than other races in term of protection and weaponry. is that why people start as gallian so their homeworld have better protection?

True, they are first in technologies (earlies rockets etc) and gallian merchant start is usually my choice.

hmm another question: is there anyway to kill keller completly (not sending him away) withought sience station program?

No way, also it's impossible to kill him in space (except for some glitch I'm not familiar with).

If you have first versions of game (like 1.0) then I dont know how to know galactic level except using trainer.

Galactic and planetary levels were introduced somewhere early 2006 (1.5 or 1.4?)

When  galactic has 4th level (D), you can drop multi-resonator from dominator  after kill.

Fourth level is a critical stage in game. Beforehand buy 5 (more -- better) camofluages on pirate bases (before Keller crushes them :-)) and explore all the systems nearby for urgants with multi-resonators (or how they are named in you version). Trick is: use dominator program which causes dominators to drop equipment. Each day different items are dropped, so just reload if you don't like drops. Be aware: after using programs camofluage fades (or just stops working for dominators in this system, I forgot). So get 4-5 multis, upgrade them and you should liberate system solo. That's why 200% game is still very elementary -- most of average players get those multis by 3304 and won't ever face with difficulties.

Same trick for Vertixes and IMHO9000 but they won't drop after using programs, only by killing. So use the programs and be sure your enemy has no equipment apart from engine, fuel tank and a weapon, then kill it on different days. Sooner or later (you may need several months :-)) you will get your overwhelming deathbringer.

Damn long time with no practice in english, I must look like an idiot :-P


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 05.06.2012 15:54:15
I won't recommend exploring those planets before 3303 or better 3304 or you will find nothing apart from micromodules and very low-quality equipment. Don't forget to explore each planet complently since each of them can contain red modules. :-P

lol i was missing alot then i just explore planets in first 3 year after that i just didnt have enough time for that

hmm another question: is there anyway to kill keller completly (not sending him away) withought sience station program?
No way, also it's impossible to kill him in space (except for some glitch I'm not familiar with).
i ask this question beacuse there is 3 way for both terran and blazer to finish them i thinked probably there is another way to kill keller too, so disappointing  :(

That's why 200% game is still very elementary -- most of average players get those multis by 3304 and won't ever face with difficulties.
eh anywhere i read about reboot people say impossible is realy impossible now u say its elementary :P wow
if its elementry i realy like to know what game on hard is realy hard in your view (i mean rpg games) :)

Same trick for Vertixes and IMHO9000 but they won't drop after using programs, only by killing. So use the programs and be sure your enemy has no equipment apart from engine, fuel tank and a weapon, then kill it on different days. Sooner or later (you may need several months :-)) you will get your overwhelming deathbringer.

there are is some problems that i dont know what to do with them. in my 30 year 100% (custom difficulty with dominator on 150%) i only saw 1 vertix rank 8 with 190 weight its very strange they should already have the most powerfull lightest weapon possible (i used alot of cheat on dominator who definitly had vertix to see what they have and best i found was rank g with 150 weight and when i use cheat vertix, i get rank h weight 20 )
another problem is that its very hard to keep both pirate and military base alive to get the combat program and camu and if u want to get camu sooner u need to use a lot of money that most likely is not availabe on that time
problem is, usually in first 3-4 month only 2 system remain for good guys

Damn long time with no practice in english, I must look like an idiot :-P
definitly not

edit: i hope u dont think i am complaining i love the game and i enjoy chalange i just want to know how others get around this problems thanks for your helps


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 05.06.2012 17:04:19
if its elementry i realy like to know what game on hard is realy hard in your view (i mean rpg games) :)
I don't play games much for now, but you can open my profile and see my results. Just playing sometimes since release.

148 is minimal weight for Vertixes and 108 for IMHO respectively. Those are so ultimate weapons so you can pick modules not for damage/range but ones to reduce the size (one yellow module reduces size by 40% at no cost and the second one reduces size by 50% with some little damage penalties).

problem is, usually in first 3-4 month only 2 system remain for good guys
Actually, Blazer and Terron both won't attack 3 last systems remaninig, but Keller alone will. Little hint: do not contune training quests after trading medicaments, so Keller won't be able to attack your starting system AND the second training system where you fight with a robot by the middle of 3301.

definitly not
I still don't like my speech. :-)

Yeah saving bases is a hard task but if you saved Buisness Center you can just buy what you want (and then allow Keller to destroy bases you won't need soon ;-)).


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 05.06.2012 17:15:33
Galactic and planetary levels were introduced somewhere early 2006 (1.5 or 1.4?)
I remember that some cheats like Vertix, God etc already were in 1.5, so you are right.


:shy: what is protect from SNK?
Ah, its patch for SR2. But I even dont know if that supports english version of game. With that patch russians can send their records to rating table.

eh anywhere i read about reboot people say impossible is realy impossible now u say its elementary :P wow
if its elementry i realy like to know what game on hard is realy hard in your view (i mean rpg games) :)
Hehe Buldoser is just experienced player like some others. They consider 200% isnt hard and want more agressive dominators. By the way, versions 1.5-1.8 were really harder than 2.0, because in 2.0 some of equipment has power-ups. I also sure you will say same thing if you will beat 200% few times. Especially if you will play with vertixes.
You told you dont know what to do with them  :) I dont like their weight too, but... Get huge ship (1200-2000) and 5 vertixes will not be problem for you. If you very want, try some modules for making vertix lighter. That heavy weight of vertix was introduced in 1.5 because many players played with that weapon and got 5 vertixes very easy. Now its harder to get, harder to use, harder to repair, but its still best weapon :D

About Keller, I think designers made fault with program for him. Its almost useless. But as I know, with program you have more chances to beat him.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 05.06.2012 19:10:03
I don't play games much for now, but you can open my profile and see my results. Just playing sometimes since release.
glup....  :eek: 50k score is too much and i see u probably pick the sience version of uniqe ship most likely to beat everyone faster :P and i suppose killer (pirate uniqe ship) was too much problem to be worth it?

also i like to know u guys difficulty preferance :)

Actually, Blazer and Terron both won't attack 3 last systems remaninig, but Keller alone will. Little hint: do not contune training quests after trading medicaments, so Keller won't be able to attack your starting system AND the second training system where you fight with a robot by the middle of 3301.
eh in my test game i just sit there doing nothing and end turns now i know why i survived for 1.5 year :P LOL

definitly not
I still don't like my speech. :-)
but i like it lol :P

Yeah saving bases is a hard task but if you saved Buisness Center you can just buy what you want (and then allow Keller to destroy bases you won't need soon ;-)).
well i actually want to destroy bussiness center so i dont need to pay back my debt :P well it seems its out of option now :D

Hehe Buldoser is just experienced player like some others. They consider 200% isnt hard and want more agressive dominators. By the way, versions 1.5-1.8 were really harder than 2.0, because in 2.0 some of equipment has power-ups. I also sure you will say same thing if you will beat 200% few times. Especially if you will play with vertixes
well i played with vertix but in version 1.0 of game i just made the 22 hull amor 51% shield and go to the middle of dominators and kill them all with my five vertixes its why i think vertix drop of dominators is so heavy :P lol when i get reboot i waste about 2 hour trying to use alarm signal to drop vertixes then i searched the net and find out that it wont drop :D :shy:
btw any of u guys played king bounty? that game was very similar to this game(i mean the global design of the gameplay is similar) and i loved that one i even thinked designer of both game are the same then i find out that its just their publisher :P


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 05.06.2012 19:21:51
glup....  :eek: 50k score is too much and i see u probably pick the sience version of uniqe ship most likely to beat everyone faster :P and i suppose killer (pirate uniqe ship) was too much problem to be worth it?
Yeah science one, though later switched to much bigger Chegantina.

also i like to know u guys difficulty preferance :)
200/200/200/50/50/200/200/200 or 200/200/200/50/100/200/200/200 just because I'm too lazy to repair vertixes often. And 50 or 100 equipment to get vertixes/imho 5 years earlier than on 200% (3307-3309 against 3312-3314), though in most cases I don't reload as often as I sometimes should and don't maximise results lol. Too lazy. :crazy:

btw any of u guys played king bounty? that game was very similar to this game(i mean the global design of the gameplay is similar) and i loved that one i even thinked designer of both game are the same then i find out that its just their publisher :P
Well that's same team exclude one man who has right on Elemental Games brand (long story), so you were right. :-)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 05.06.2012 21:22:02
lol i am sooo lucky started 200% difficulty find a rapid housing II 274 space with four slot weapons (sadly it only have 4 armor) lots of lucky trade good engine and still i have 40k cr :O but i dont like to raise my equipment price too much it make repairing too much pricy so i still stick with low price equipment except engine (its what make me survive :P) and its till year 1 :O in top of that sheat system have 3 industrial (+bussiness center) and kraha 1 industrial planets LOL perfect game :P


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 07.06.2012 01:32:24
wow its very interesting its year 10 and we have only 5 system :| i still use missile thrower with some MM (+30 and +10 damage) :| there is no base at all :| blazer attacked with 5 bahamoth (i mean bigest ship i dont remember its name) and 5 little one and in the same time stupid gallian attacked another system so i lost both sience and ranger base atleast gallian can defend themselve very good but i dunno what should i do with bases how to fortify them, is there anyway to increase their armor?

when blazzer attacked only 1 battleship attack them everybody else do their daily routine well i know rangers are coward but transport usually attack the enemy, it was not the same when keller attacked (when keller attack everyone participate) can anyone explain why they suddenly become coward?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: fBrown от 07.06.2012 04:18:30
but i dunno what should i do with bases how to fortify them, is there anyway to increase their armor?

Talk to Base-administrator, choose "enhance/improve base". Pay money. U may divide your EXP with Base, increasing its parameters. Also U may install any equipment (including artifacts) on Base.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 07.06.2012 21:31:23
fbrown thanks but i know how to go to their equipment page i just thinked that people use something special to fortify them :)

hmm i thinked i am very good in rts missions now i think i am a complete loser LOL how do u win landing (Pride of Endoria) rts mission? its the mission where u must defend a ship and 3 dominator attack u from everywhere the problem is this map is very tight its nearly impossible to defend yourself :S and i dont like using titanium armor or air support thanks for your help :) 


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 07.06.2012 21:43:14
Can't help with RTS missions, didn't played them much since my 4 fav ones from patch 1.6 were removed in Reboot.

wow its very interesting its year 10 and we have only 5 system :| i still use missile thrower with some MM (+30 and +10 damage) :| there is no base at all :|
To build new bases liberate each system in your starting sector (Atlanta I guess :-).

can anyone explain why they suddenly become coward?
No idea though rangers and pirates fear ships with expensive equip so consider that blaseroid equipment is usually well upgraded and so much more expensive than kelleroids one.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 07.06.2012 23:07:58
thanks again  bulDOSer so npc judge by equipment worth interesting :)

i did that mission it was very interesting i should capture the green base not the blue one and let blue and red fight to the death :D


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 07.06.2012 23:26:05
thanks again  bulDOSersonpc judge by equipment worth interesting :)

To be honest that's not actually now the game works but I just don't wanna describe the whole mechanism. You just must get the main idea that those cowards prefer to battle with weakest opponents.
This game's mechanism stays well unknown in several ways thus no one will answer you how to speed up technical progress to get newest weapons sooner etc. Most will answer you must controll as many big and industrious (or just big but not agrarian except very few lucky cases) fei or gallian planets as they gonna lead in technics. This answer is not correct but practically it will work for you, just as you learn Newtons laws in physics at school since firstly they are easier to understand for most than modern quantum or some else theories and secondly, damn, they just work. :-)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 07.06.2012 23:43:11
lol also i realy love to understand game mechanism (only for games that i think its worth the trouble) more information may not be that much usefull :) (+ it maybe easier that way :))

again thanks

btw i find a very usefull feature: if u aim your weapon to a dominator and a non ranger npc kill the target u get the whole experiance like u killed it yourself :P now i just go where battleship go and aim my 4 missile to 4 different dominator :D its very usefull


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 08.06.2012 03:50:26
u get the whole experiance
I think you are wrong, you will get half of experience


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 08.06.2012 12:16:14
hmm how much experiance a "menok editor" give (blazer unit, i think its secound smallest unit) i get 479 experiance just for pointing my missle to it i didnt even shot anything (battleship kill it sooner :P)

edit: hmm i just test it but its a little strange lets calculate its a about last dominator in system to be liberated
begining experiance 1921

scenario 1: i didnt kill i just point my gun to it -> end experiance 2410 (489 experiance + kill count) system is liberated and i didnt get anything from governer

scenario 2: i kill it and beacuse of my bravery they add 440 ranger point -> end experiance 2932 (2932 -440 -1921 = 571) and later i get a reward for my liberation

where this 82 exp difference come from is liberating a system give some exp too?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: fBrown от 09.06.2012 08:35:21
hmm i thinked i am very good in rts missions now i think i am a complete loser LOL how do u win landing (Pride of Endoria) rts mission? its the mission where u must defend a ship and 3 dominator attack u from everywhere the problem is this map is very tight its nearly impossible to defend yourself :S and i dont like using titanium armor or air support thanks for your help :)

Without titanium armor? So so hard...
But imho there is 2 ways: (not with first try off course)
1. Dont defend Ship. Catch Blue while Red catching Green. Build many FullStacks+FireWall+3Rockets+1Discharger+Antigraves(or Ecroplans). Capture 2 factories on right. Defend them (+ build pair of Repairing Robots) from first Blue attacks & go down to capture Blue Base. And immediately after this go away to ship. If U will have time & Reds will not capture ship - all will be Ok. (But Red has very very many resources!)
2. Build maximum Battle Robots while your 2 factories on left are yours. Capture 2 factories on right. Defend them (+ build pair of Repairing Robots) from first Blue attacks. Catch moment when Green wave will be silented. And go for Green Base. Build Rocket Towers & defend, defend, defend... While Blue & Red fights with U & between selves. Look for quality of enemy Robots. Btw, when Green Base will be Your - begin to build another Robots. Fullstack+locator+2rockets+2repair & Fullstack+locator+mortar+3rockets+1discharger. And move, move, move.
Sorry 4 my English. :shy:


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 09.06.2012 15:09:46
hmm how much experiance a "menok editor" give (blazer unit, i think its secound smallest unit) i get 479 experiance just for pointing my missle to it i didnt even shot anything (battleship kill it sooner :P)
Hm, as for my experience menok gives ~220-280 exp points for kill, but 479 sounds wrong. :-) Exp from killing dominatiors also depends on dominatiors difficulty -- more exp with higher difficulty. ~900 exp from biggest dominators ship (don't know how they're named in english version, something like ekventors but this translation looks dumb for me lol) on 50% up to ~1200 on 200%.

where this 82 exp difference come from is liberating a system give some exp too?
No it shouldn't be, the only exp for liberating you get when you land on the planet and get rewards.

I always disregarded such small changes of exp points, only tens of thousands count for me. :-))


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 09.06.2012 17:43:03
fbrown i did exactly what u said except the number 1 dont work at all red capture green very fast and its huge stack of resources + two factory = wave after wave of robots and beacouse  of very bad logistic and line of sight of robots its completly impossible to defend the red. what i did was completly ignore blue, building as much combat robot as i could,then waited for the first wave of red attack to green then captured green and defend to the end (the problem for me was that i never thinked this method gona work) after sometime red and blue initial resources exusted and u can go for the kill :D (as u said in option number 2). i think number 1 only work if u have titanium armor

bulDOSer but i got this much exp :S what's going on here (i play on 200% difficulty ofcourse) and the reason for me to be this much into detial is to see if my theory is correct or not (if u point your gun to a dominator that killed by a battleship u get the whole exp)

btw bulDOSer i like your style u are very practical sadly i study physics too much and i just recently quite it completly :P so i am still too much into theory and mathematics stuff LOL 


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 11.06.2012 23:43:56
yes i finished it sadly i dunno how to upload my data so i say it

total score 17360
game time 13000 (25 december 3335 i used every day in last year :P)
kill count
dominator: 2239/pirate:7/innocant people (for killer uniqe ship :P)=114/hyper:10
rts mission:30 / mission :9/award:20

many thanks to all of u for your great help

next : trying to get the highest score possible :D but for now i need to rest a little :)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 11.06.2012 23:57:00
Nice  :crazy: You can try and get better result (60K and higher), just need some practic and all will be ok.
Try to kill dominators as fast as you can


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 12.06.2012 00:51:14
Close to my first try on high difficulty. Enjoy your rest, you have soon much work on improving your skills. :D  We'll share some technics and ideas.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 12.06.2012 10:14:50
thanks guys

except that damn torpedo users (that make me crazy, they always try to keep maximum range) i killed dominators in 3 turn maximum and i liberated systems in 10 days i just go to the middle of them and fire 5 vertixes :D (fully upgraded, 3 rank H, 2 rank g/ -50% weight reduction)
i think i finished the game too soon, in last year i made 300k exp (and my total exp was 900k) maybe i should continued my game? i made too much mistake though i explored half of planets and that take a lot of my time. i dunno why i explored this much i had all the artifact i need but i just couldnt stop  :D

some questions again :P
1-is it possible to start the game with missile launcher for sell?
2-what is that things around some planets (how should i say it its like a cyborg planet with monitors and such) do they affect planet tech grow?
3-i wonder what is the best uniqe ship in your views (time u spend to get it and its usefullness) i think killer is the best i just kill those transport and at the same time i get myself some decent equipment
4-i just dont get it how u manage to work with multi or other non missile weapon early in the game without good shield, amor and droid u recieve too much damage (and equipment failure too) do u plan your movement a lot (i mean to have manageable enemy in your weapon range) maybe i am too much on the bahamut side (going in the middle of enemy horde with my big untouchable ship without too much thinking)
5-is there some trick to get the desired micro model (specially cramp and turing), artifact?


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Отправлено: fBrown от 12.06.2012 10:37:05
i just couldnt stop - its about everyone :D

1. look 4 missile launcher for sell on bases. if i wasnt in dream - i had 1 on science base.
2. just 4 fun. :)
3. Killer. most balanced & awful.
4. ye. plan/move/quicksave/quickload many many times :)


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Отправлено: bulDOSer от 12.06.2012 11:39:22
1 Yes can start so even on 200%, but it's gonna take n starts to get. Higher chances on lower equipment difficulty (maybe 100% because on 50% planets develop sometimes too fast so by the time you will be able to carry vertixes desintegrators will be on sale).
2 Nah just graphics with no impact on gameplay.
3 Haha I don't like those unique ships and prefers common ones. :D  Both science and pirate ones are OK and the military ones loses because of no speed bonus.
4 By the time you get multis you also could already buy fourth level equipment: red droid ~ 20 + 10 + 15/20/25 =~50( depending on module) and red shield (20+8+5=33) which is enough with an artifact which gives 5 ship defense. Although yeah do not fly into mess, use forsage to first encounter shtips and menoks and one then deal with bigger ones.
5 Artifacts from black hole depend on the LAST ship you kill there so try different combinations. Then modules: ranger centers won't sale modules you have in your equipment AND in your hold. So there's a hint: if you want more turnings, place weapons with it in the warehouse and then check if the module is offered. If yes, buy it and place in the warehouse and look:  now one more turing is sold! Repeat as many times as you want.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 13.06.2012 17:13:03
1- so i better forget about that u cant have everything in one game (i corrently generated a game with 3 industrial, 2 agri and 5 mixed, only 5 systems are free and only one of the systems is not in my sector  i just dont have pirate base but i have business so no complain there, it sound like a very good start)
3- fbrown: yeah killer is so ugly specially in hyper ;) it seems we agree then :)/bulDOSer: hmm strange if u do it fast u can have them in year 5-6 and definitly there is no better hull in that time, maybe u just dont like their look? :)
4- so i must move a lot :D lol i think i am too lazy for that ;) but i should learn that
5-so there is a way to get the desired mm just hold all your mm in your ship except the one u want :D hehe i wont trade mm to rangers now :P i think BH work like ranger center too (u wont get the same artifact) right?

another question: this one is realy on my nerve this time i changed difficulty to 50% equipment in the store and equipment failure but i actually have lower tech compared to my previous game every ship in the galaxy have very good engines, weapon (specially that 10 weight missile launcher that every pirate have :P) but i have a lot of problem getting any of them i killed a lot of rangers, battleship, pirate, transport or anything moving at all (and reload afterward) but i never get this good equipment its year 3306 and i still have the engine i buyed in march 3300 an upgraded singular engine beacuse i couldnt find any engine that is small :S the best was 45 
i read somewhere that to get the best equipment u shouldnt search the stores but in the hull of other ships but how u do it anyway this ships never drop good stuff

i dunno what's going on but in my previous 200% game i was a lot more powerfull (tech wise and money wise)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 13.06.2012 18:35:06
1 I'd suggest generating a galactic with 2 systems in your sector including buisness center AND a third one in another sector (fei one is nice) so just destroy/buy bases in the third system. Incomprehensible start. :D No rockets on start is OK it's unlikely you have enough resources (modules + arts) to use them effectively. Though on the other hand better guards.
3 Kinda prefer oldschool game version without those cheating ships on bases and equipment with bonuses to weapons.
4 Have a try then. ;-)
5 Yeah new artifact is guaranteed. I got the same one which I carried just once or twice in eight year of playing this game. Switching last remaining enemy is the key.
The drop chance depends on 1) your wealth (money + the cost of equipment) and on 2) the average of wealth of each coalition ship. Those parameters are difficult to affect (especially the second one) and... Pray to the god of Random and have luck. :D I remember how long I tried to get that 45 sized IMHO-9000 from Terron, damn. :D  Also better switch to 100% equipment, I see 50% is too powerful to you now and you have yet to benefit from it.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 13.06.2012 19:20:33
i love u guys i realy appreciate your helps
lol i cant beilive it that droping the difficulty actually raise the difficulty :P
i didnt know drop chance is base on your total wealth :S i am actually worth nothing now :P maybe 200k

about system why fei? how can i destroy a base, is it by drawing attention of dominators to the base?

i dont remember any artifact that affect damage of missile weapon is there such a thing?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 13.06.2012 21:25:24
1 feian development is almost as guaranteed and fast as gallian. yes use kelleroids for destroying bases. or cisterns. :D
2 use cheats "arts" and "module" to see them all as I may be wrong with them


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 13.06.2012 21:25:54
how can i destroy a base, is it by drawing attention of dominators to the base?
Yes or you entice dominators to system and w8 until they crash it, or use bomb(s) to destroy base.

i dont remember any artifact that affect damage

Its not exist. You can increase damage of rockets by using equipment with bonuses.


Название: Re: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 15.06.2012 23:13:37
lol this time i made a big mistake i killed both blazer and keller too soon and now i am forced to finish the game when i dont want to
terran become so aggressive that i fear he capture all the galaxy i didnt know u should kill them all in one strike, well it would be a good lessen for me :)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 15.06.2012 23:51:15
When dominators control less than half of systems dominators equipment level rises to H and if coalition forces still stays somewhere at F level with multiresonators well... Very sad picture. :-)
I recently forced Blazer to stay in one system by 3316 on maximal difficulty and then stayed on some base for three and a half year. Watch out (http://srclan.org/forum/index.php?topic=196.msg245934#msg245934). Pelengs survived for no reason and those gallians in starting systems recently got H level equip.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 15.06.2012 23:55:29
And as of my experience facing one enemy makes dominators more agressive and forces them to fly into other systems when you liberate them so more easy exp. I think Blazer is the most agressive, but on the other hand it's possible to give him one system near coalition and farm terronoids while rangers and military ships try to get one unbeatable blazeroid system. As a result almost no ranger will disturb terronoids from attacking systems you are farming.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 16.06.2012 00:09:46
lol google translate made my day :P

how did u blocked a system anyway :)

in my case its year 27 everyone have (or should have) the best equipment and dominators had as much as 10 system i think but as soon as i finished keller and blazer terran goes berserk when i attack a system 3 wave of reinforcement from other system come to help , when i defend 2 wave (maximum i see) from different system (i even see about 10 biggest ship, that sadly i dont remeber its name)  all in my range of vertixes (hopefully i had strongester killer and 5 vertixes :P)
in just 1 month 10 systems fall under might of terran LOL its not that coalition does not have good equipment its that dominators are wining on pure reproduction and number (and as we know terran is the master of reproduction ;) )


with your secound post i remember that blazer had lots of system and i forced him to join us so basically a lot of dominators systems get free suddenly maybe it was a shock to the terran as a last dominator leader. seeing as his pride is in danger he ordered a full assult against all coalitions :P


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 16.06.2012 00:32:35
You are right, massive blazeroid suicide made Terron insane. Actually coalition loses but dominators left systems almost undefended. Damn iPad spellcheck, impossible to write game terms . :D


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 17.06.2012 00:57:01
well my secound playthrough wasnt that much successfull i just get 24k score and i finished it in year 33 i get 1.4 milion exp (my setting was equipment and equipment failure on 50% other setting on 200%) but i dont realy liked my game this time, i think i better set equipment to 200% and equipment failure to 50% beacuse i wont realy do much killing before getting vertixes and equipment failure actually force u to do less killing

take note that i want to improve my skill more than improving my score what do u think?

also about MM i only saw panzer once and i never saw universe even after having all other first micro module rangers center refuse to give me new ones and try to sell the one i already have (except panzer and universe i had all first lvl micro module) either they are very rare or i wasnt lucky can i do something to increase chance of getting them?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 17.06.2012 21:32:29
Universe, panzer and hub belong to the special uncommon type of modules which are rare to appear in rangers centers. One day a year (approx, the range is like 250-500 days) this type of modules replaces the standart saleschain and rangers center offers ONLY universe, panzer and hub with no exceptions. If you found this day -- buy as many modules as you can.

take note that i want to improve my skill more than improving my score what do u think?

I'll later describe some tactics. First say what you want to improve right now.

Hint: save and load more often, you won't them lose unexpected opportunities. :-)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 17.06.2012 21:48:41
how did u blocked a system anyway :)
I blocked Blazer in Atlan and gave all other systems to terronoids. The trick was: eliminate Terron and liberate systems in 31 parsecs from Atlan (maximal distance dominators can travel, the only exception is an artifact which calls dominators in your system where you activated that art, don't know how it's named in english version) as soon as possible. I wasn't able to achieve that and Blazer got one system before I liberated others. Blazeroids started spawning with H equipment and went kicking. :D


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 17.06.2012 22:23:05
wow i didnt know any of that
first for module is a day fixed? i mean u pass days untill ranger center offer them and u memorize the day then load the game and do other things fighting dominators, trade, etc is module offer the same day?

if dominators can jump maximum of 31 parsec i know how to maximaze my score :D just attacking a for example terran system with lots of nearby terran systems and they send wave after waves of food for my exp counter :)

i think i am too slow in the beginning i nearly dont do anything untill i have killer and some vertixes (actually i do but all i am doing is with missile, also they are powerfull but they are very slow in killing and i also cant collect that much loots) what i do is for first 3 year i just do trading (mostly lauxary) then i try to find some missile, after that i mostly try to participate in liberations to get some loot and i work toward my killer untill i can find vertix rank g then i start my mass killings. i want to be faster and in order to do that i must stop relaying on top equipments, what can i do?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 17.06.2012 22:58:52
wow i didnt know any of that
first for module is a day fixed? i mean u pass days untill ranger center offer them and u memorize the day then load the game and do other things fighting dominators, trade, etc is module offer the same day?

Yes but not 100% guaranteed. Several mechanisms may brake trading chain, but I'm unaware how and when it happens. I recommend not to predict and check the sequence regulary.

if dominators can jump maximum of 31 parsec i know how to maximaze my score :D just attacking a for example terran system with lots of nearby terran systems and they send wave after waves of food for my exp counter :)

You get it: two systems with 1 habit. planet and large number of systems nearby.  :p

i think i am too slow in the beginning i nearly dont do anything untill i have killer and some vertixes (actually i do but all i am doing is with missile, also they are powerfull but they are very slow in killing and i also cant collect that much loots) what i do is for first 3 year i just do trading (mostly lauxary) then i try to find some missile, after that i mostly try to participate in liberations to get some loot and i work toward my killer untill i can find vertix rank g then i start my mass killings. i want to be faster and in order to do that i must stop relaying on top equipments, what can i do?

E rank vertix should be enough powerful. For much more productive start full pack of artifact is critical. Obtaining all the 30 arts in 4-5 years is the key for one of the most effective (and expensive realtime-wise) tactics in the game. Actually it's gonna be closer to masochism rather than to the game. And don't tell later I didn't warn. :D


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 17.06.2012 23:13:29
why u need all this arts anyway for me two arts: antigravitazer and matter-psi accelerator was critical, also having blast wave localizer was nice too, maybe i dont use arts that much :S

am i right to assume to get this arts i must going to every BH in this 4-5 years? becuse i am not realy good in this category (well except when i have blasters or vertixes :))


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 17.06.2012 23:17:48
Visiting Keller's BH BEFORE Keller's appear (or better at the same turn when Keller appears) makes the hole common with pirates. I'll describe then how to use the whole art-pack. ;-) BH arcades are primitive -- just fly backwards and shoot. Buy several cheap (A level) weapons, try and conclude which of them are easier to use.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 17.06.2012 23:24:57
one more thing i read in this forum that equiping weapons in the BH affect something sadly it only said that this trick wont work for keller himself
what is this trick? and what's the benefit


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 17.06.2012 23:28:31
Ah yes I forgot to mention this trick: flying into the BH without weapons equipped makes enemies very weak. Works with Keller too.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 18.06.2012 01:41:24
am i right to assume to get this arts i must going to every BH in this 4-5 years? becuse i am not realy good in this category (well except when i have blasters or vertixes :))
If you want to get all arts as fast as you can then yes, you dont need to kill keller, try to get arts in his BH if you can. If you dont need all arts and want 2-3 critical arts then its simple. I dont remember if we told you about it, but art depends of last killed pirate. So if you have 6 piretes in BH then it might be 6 different arts, you can pick necessary one. As buldoser said, if you entered to BH without weapons in slots, enemyes are weak. Also easy way to check all variants of possible arts are cheats God and Vertix. Try to kill different pirates in the end, if art matches for you then load and try to kill so with normal weapon =) In early years I use rocket launchers in BH or sometimes weapon with blue balls in BH (dont know what is name in english). And you should try to control spawns of medicine bonus. With art "small droid" (or how its called in english) you even dont need that.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 18.06.2012 05:52:15
blue balls: probably u mean earliest fragment weapon (fragment cannon) yes they are very good i also like lezka and ofcource missile is good

i actually do all of this  (running around pick the bonuses flying backward) but my last game that i tried to farm bh the number of enemy increased to 6 (and stay the same for next bh too) their number is too much and i couldnt find who i killed last so eventual i give up they are all alike, there is only 2 type of them


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 18.06.2012 11:46:39
lezka
As I know its worse choice in black hole  :wacko:


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 20.06.2012 22:31:14
eh i like lezka they dont have homing property but u can fire a lot of them and they eventually hit someone but at the same time it wont let u to kill the one u want (well i really fear getting near any of enemies in BH :P that's why i say i am not good at all in arcade games) and it seems your projectile wont damage yourself

its realy frustrating in the beginning the only things i can do is trading do u guys do something else in first 3 years (before missile become available)?


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 20.06.2012 23:28:08
When I played with 200% dominators it was quite boring first 2-3 years, but I tred not only trading. I fought vs dominators, explored planets also. Used artefact for calling kelleroids (in dominator's systems) etc. In other words, gaying around   :crazy:


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 21.06.2012 00:12:30
is calling keller army to other systems decrease chance of his attack to coalitions systems? and if u do call keller army how u collect the lot? did u use clocking device?

with what u fight dominators :P LOL except that tiny missile thrower i dunno any real weapon to fight them or do u use close range weapons (witch means u are in direct hit of them :S)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 21.06.2012 11:34:48
well in this run i faced a lot of problems it was full of action:P keller attack me non stop befor i can finish the first wave it send another one
its year 3304 and i only have 1 system no base and still no missile :O (i even forced to use astroids to help me kill dominators lol) so i think i must expand my knowledge sorry for long post

1- what determine frequency of attacks of dominators (specially keller)  i see in some games keller dont attack me that much but in other game it attack me a lot i have 2 theory first there are a lot of keller systems near me second keller dont have enough systems

2- i have seen blazer and terron attack my systems though i only had 5 systems why it happened

3- i still have problem to determine tech grows of planets they are industrial but they dont grow that much is there anyway that i can guess their lvl better in the start of game (for example their visual size or population? )

4- i want to manage my skill allocations better, so i must ask: how damage calculated and how attack and maneuver skills affect them for example i have a missile thrower with 10-14 damage i have no skill in attack, is this means i do an average of 12 damage? (without counting enemy armor) (giving me a web address in russion with the formula - if there is such a thing - would be enough)

5- in what type of planet and with what rate luxury trade item actually produced

6- is there anyway to affect the prohibition of some trade item (like drugs) to become legal?

thanks


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: bulDOSer от 21.06.2012 12:48:41
is calling keller army to other systems decrease chance of his attack to coalitions systems? and if u do call keller army how u collect the lot? did u use clocking device?

Absolutly no, Keller acts independently. Yes stealing loot during battle.

with what u fight dominators :P LOL except that tiny missile thrower i dunno any real weapon to fight them or do u use close range weapons (witch means u are in direct hit of them :S)

I'm using only one missle launcher picked on start. With module (and stimulators) it damages up to 23-25 with one rocket, for me it's mostly enough. Sometimes buy several Lezka's.

its year 3304 and i only have 1 system no base and still no missile :O (i even forced to use astroids to help me kill dominators lol) so i think i must expand my knowledge sorry for long post

I'd better suggest to start again. :-)

1- what determine frequency of attacks of dominators (specially keller)  i see in some games keller dont attack me that much but in other game it attack me a lot i have 2 theory first there are a lot of keller systems near me second keller dont have enough systems

Keller's attaks are fully random so he can attack several times in a row and also can disappear for a year.

2- i have seen blazer and terron attack my systems though i only had 5 systems why it happened

Blazer and Terron stop attacks when 3 systems are remaining.

3- i still have problem to determine tech grows of planets they are industrial but they dont grow that much is there anyway that i can guess their lvl better in the start of game (for example their visual size or population? )

Graphically you can see their sizes on a map. Population depends only on the size.

4- Hm I guess I've seen this formula on older forums, perhaps I'll manage to find it.

5- Depends on regime (autocraty, monarchy, democracy, anarchy etc) and random events -- read in-game news. Buy luxury on events -- it will restore very quickly but DON'T sell on event as luxury disappears then.

6- No, though if the regime is anarchy you can. But prices during anarchy stay very uncompetitive.


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 21.06.2012 12:55:51
is calling keller army to other systems decrease chance of his attack to coalitions systems?
Never hear about it so I think its not.

if u do call keller army how u collect the lot? did u use clocking device?

I dont collect them, I call them to blazer's or terron's system. After it I go away. I come back a bit later and take remains of fighting.
About clocking device... I dont understand what did you mean

1- what determine frequency of attacks of dominators (specially keller)
 
I dont know, I think its random. When I played last time I had same problem, or he doesnt attack at all, or it happens very often. Thats why I prefer to kill him and dont rape my mind

2- i have seen blazer and terron attack my systems though i only had 5 systems why it happened

They attack systems if its over 3.

3- i still have problem to determine tech grows of planets they are industrial but they dont grow that much

Im not pro in it. Ehhm do you look to new equipment in there? What is their maximal level? And what is galactic level? (shift+ctrl+vertix).
Yes its cabbot grow fast. I think rocket launchers will appear in 06-07 year, although I can make mistake.

4- i want to manage my skill allocations better, so i must ask: how damage calculated and how attack and maneuver skills affect them

For example your weapon has 20-50 demage. After it computer pick damage from that interval (it depends of attack skill of attacker and  maneuver skill of victim). When its defined (for example 40), we look to victim's armor. If its 50%+10 then final damage will be: 40-(40*0,5)-10=10.
As I know, nobody knows how it works exactly if you asking about interval only. With weapon 10-14 and without attack skill I think damage is picked from 10 to 13 (becouse in description of skill its something like "probability to make maximum damage is 0%").
In other situations Im not sure also, I think if attacker has attacking skill = 5 (100% probability to make maximum damage) and victim has maneuver skill 3 (damage decreased up to 60%) then probability of maximum damage is 40%.
As I said exact formula of picking range can be other, nobody sure about it. But at least we know how it works after it. Generator blocks damage in percents minus ship's armor.

5- in what type of planet and with what rate luxury trade item actually produced

As I know at start its random. But if planet havent luxury then cost is increasing, if planet has many luxury then cost is decresing. Use it when you trade. So you can sell many luxury and wait a bit. After it buy that luxury with low cost and sell in other place where luxury is costly (sometimes its planet where you bought all luxury before). But where luxury is produced... I think everywhere. But for trading it havent meaning, you can buy same luxury everytime which you sold some time ago.

6- is there anyway to affect the prohibition of some trade item (like drugs) to become legal?
 
As I know its random. It can become legal, but you cant affect to it. (If I remember correctly)


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 21.06.2012 13:00:49
i only have 1 system no base
heh Next time try so save at least scientific base. If you cant, try to load old save and replay. Or next time kill keller, you will have 3 systems maybe=)

with what u fight dominators
Rockets. However I know ppl who uses lezka (dont know how but they told me it)
 


Название: hi i am new and i need help
Отправлено: omega от 21.06.2012 14:31:14
many thanks

About clocking device... I dont understand what did you mean

i am very stupid i mean cloak (i write clock :|) disguising yourself like a dominator
 
I'm using only one missle launcher picked on start. With module (and  stimulators) it damages up to 23-25 with one rocket, for me it's mostly  enough. Sometimes buy several Lezka'
i thought module only affect the maximum damage or they affect the minimum too?
oh yes i have forgotten that lezka have the best range in the beginning weaponry

I'd better suggest to start again. :-)
hmm i really dont like restarting (if the initial conditions are good) but in this case it seems there is no other choice :P actually i want to get better in first years so i am starting to play the initial years untill i feel i can win the game then i start another game (in the same time i learn to play with low tech equipments :) )

 
  1: so sad that keller attack is completely random, this means even if u have a perfect start this randomness can ruin your game. it seems i need to restart more often :| (currently keller send 2 wave every 2 month)

Thats why I prefer to kill keller and dont rape my mind
sadly i dont have enough skill to do this i am bad in action games (only strategy and rpg :P)

3: so bigger planets that are industrial mean better tech grow (at least in average)

Ehhm do you look to new equipment in there? What is their maximal level? And what is galactic level?

i only look for missile on sell, other weapons can be looted from dominators so i want to minimize the time i need to wait for missiles
and by determine their lvl i mean their tech grows lvl how fast they upgrade their equipment
 
heh Next time try so save at least scientific base

well i made a huge mistake there i tried to save ranger center and i lost scientific one and recklessly refused to reload, well i didnt had that much dominator loot anyway exactly after that i start to collect a lot of dominators stuff :|

Rockets. However I know ppl who uses lezka (dont know how but they told me it)
i should learn to use them probably with managing my speed i can hit them with lezka and their weapon wont reach me (at least this is what i think)

1 more thing about buying bases why i cant buy base when i have only 1 base in my home system   in this example i had only ranger center in kraha and business center in another system but i couldnt buy any of the bases (i had only 2 systems in that time)
(sorry i dont know how to describe it)


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Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 21.06.2012 21:40:35
Quote from: Klisan-57- on Today at 13:55:51      About clocking device... I dont understand what did you mean   i am very stupid i mean cloak (i write clock :|) disguising yourself like a dominator
cloak? yes its good for use, but I dont remember if I used it. If you have pirate base then you should buy it anyway. Therefore you can wear keller's cloak and steal remains of fighting  :evil:
If not then use afterburner.

i thought module only affect the maximum damage or they affect the minimum too?

For maximum only

1 more thing about buying bases why i cant buy base when i have only 1 base in my home system   in this example i had only ranger center in kraha and business center in another system but i couldnt buy any of the bases (i had only 2 systems in that time)

Dont know, maybe you cant buy base if you have 2 bases in 2 systems.

 
well i made a huge mistake there i tried to save ranger center and i lost scientific one
Ranger center is almost useless, I think scientific base is best base. Good equipment, nice service, double selling price for dominator's remains.


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Отправлено: omega от 21.06.2012 23:57:07
yes u are definitly right it was a big mistake science base is a lot better

i find two awesome tactic or maybe i should say two best way to make yourself crazy

1- in the start till year 1.5 i sell every cheap equipment and luxury trade item that i find to one of the bases in my home (i chosed science base beacuse i will try to protect it more often) beacuse their price dont change in first 1.5 years :D and they wont use trade items like planets do

2- i actually can force the game to generate missiles:D/ wow its 2 november of 3301 (with 150% equipment difficulty) and with a lot of loading and saving (and doing different things) i managed to find a rank d missile launcher if i continue this trick for the next month i can find another missile too :P


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Отправлено: bulDOSer от 22.06.2012 00:42:07
1- in the start till year 1.5 i sell every cheap equipment and luxury trade item that i find to one of the bases in my home (i chosed science base beacuse i will try to protect it more often) beacuse their price dont change in first 1.5 years :D and they wont use trade items like planets do

Because of training mission.

2- i actually can force the game to generate missiles:D/ wow its 2 november of 3301 (with 150% equipment difficulty) and with a lot of loading and saving (and doing different things) i managed to find a rank d missile launcher if i continue this trick for the next month i can find another missile too :P

I'm going to try to describe how planets increase their level. Each equipment part (droid, generator, engine, lezka, missle launcher etc) has it's own level of development. One day the game picks one of these parameters, for example engine, and in 80-90 (don't know the exact number -- some say it's 84, others say it's 90) days the planet gets the increase of this parameter. But no equipment of higher levels will appear in the shop and planet's technical level won't rise before power generator gets this level. Technically power generator's level = planet's level.

It's possible to force the planet to improve generator's and rocket missle's levels by finding the date (80-90 days before the increase) when the game decides which parameter shall rise. It's possible by doing different actions as flying with or without forsage this day, shooting ships\asteroids\cisterns, landing, staying at the same place etc. But it damn takes too much time and too many reloads.


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Отправлено: omega от 22.06.2012 01:09:58
wow its very interesting lol its embracing for me to become so exited in such age but i cant stop myself  :shy:

so if i want any equipment (lets say equipment x) i need to increase the power generator to that lvl then i must try to increase equipment x lvl .this means if i want power generator rank 8 i can get it in minimum of 720 days? well if planet pick next equipment immediately after upgrading the last equipment

probably frequency of picking a equipment by planet (to increase its lvl) is based on size and planet economy and random factors


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Отправлено: bulDOSer от 22.06.2012 12:33:11
No, chances for many grows in a row greatly decrease after each new level. Though starting with rockets is possible on each difficulty.


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Отправлено: omega от 24.06.2012 22:25:01
status report :P
well this run was awesome i learn alot from it. for 1.5 years nothing happened i had 3 systems in my sector, but for some unknown reason, 1 system with 2 planet (peleng and gallian) survived (system name is arce). near the end of 3301 terron attacked me and i alone face the full wave (with 2 missile :D ) exactly no help coming from other ships, i forced to kill some of non military ships too beacause in their futile retreat they bring the terron troops to my beloved science station :p,  how stupid i was for not using MM on my beginning missile (saving it for a better missile), its probably why i couldnt fight back dominators at all

year after year pased and still that damned arce system survived so i couldnt attack other systems that much (question why that system survived, nearly any system would fall if i wasnt there :S)

- wow multi resonator are awesome, why i didnt use it before is beacause of my stupidity i can even say they are the most powerfull weapons after vertix and imho-9000 i started my massacre way sooner with them i also get all of my multies from pirates :D , i wonder why should i use vertixes untill i find rank G-H.

- i also doing some maneuvering training, i managed to kill a full pack of dominators with 4 multi, no shield and a droid with 20 repair :) , it was very interesting and also rewarding

ok some question again :P:
1- why that arce system with only 2 planet survived it was in middle of dominators, and i couldnt see it without cheat: showmap

2- how i am not the top fighter u know in ranger rating there is top fighter, trader, pirate but also i killed a lot i am not the best fighter (well it dont change anything but i was curious )

3- sometimes i see some  equipment for sell in bases or even planets that disapear very soon, they are light and way over the tech lvl (for example i buy my 20 weight temporal engine from hahaldock in year 3316 but untill now i didnt see 1 of this engines anywhere else or in hull of any ship) what cause such a thing, how can i use this feature?

4- equipment drop: sometimes it seems that the game just dont want to give anything except somethings specific, i tried to get an equipment from a pirate (multi :P) i killed him in 15 different days and loot always was fuel tank or engine but if i let it go, do different things and come back to same pirate (with nearly the same wealth) do the same thing, it drop many different things why?

5- bulldozer u said in this post (( link (http://srclan.org/forum/index.php?topic=3949.msg258774#msg258774) )) that i can find some unexpected opportunities what did u mean by that?

6- why there is not a blue eye gallian or fat faeyan oh it was joke not a good one but i tried :P

reason for editing: text correction, some senteces made absolutely no meaning, LOL


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Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 24.06.2012 23:03:35
1- why that arce system with only 2 planet survived it was in middle of dominators, and i couldnt see it without cheat: showmap
Sometimes dominators dont attack isolated systems

2- how i am not the top fighter u know in ranger rating there is top fighter, trader, pirate but also i killed a lot i am not the best fighter (well it dont change anything but i was curious )

You cant be best fighter everytime. If you are top pirate/ trader/ fighter then you cant win same top status next time.

(for example i buy my 20 weight temporal engine from hahaldock in year 3316 but untill now i didnt see 1 of this engines anywhere else or in hull of any ship)

Maybe tech level fell down? Dont know, but it happens sometimes

6- why there is not a blue eye gallian or fat faeyan oh it was joke not a good one but i tried :P

Heh, I dont see black humans in game also =)





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Отправлено: bulDOSer от 26.06.2012 00:05:32
1 two pirates or rangers can constantly take off from planets and land the next turn until Keller spawns and kills Terronoids. Happened in my games too.

2 It gives a bit of exp, though don't remember how the the best warrior is calculated.

3 YES bases can sell much higher equipment (military base with F rocket launchers from the start, not bad, eh?)

4 Unluck. Loot changes when you slow down the target(with a weapon oe artifact) and depending on the weapon killing the target. Gonna be pain in the ass but getting the drop you want is possible in several turns. And tech level has no influence on coalition ships, only on dominators! Loot or buy some leaks, lazers etc and try out.

5 I wanted to say I recommend to reload often as new loot in the space or defense quests or highly damaged pirate can appear. The game depends on luck. :-)

6 Lore-wise if I'm not mistaken feis can not be fat.

I'm glad you are getting better. :-)


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Отправлено: omega от 30.06.2012 07:19:27
i am glad to meet such kind guys too if it wasnt for your helps i would never did anything
thanks

when i was searching in old resources there was a russion post that said u can accelerate the tech grow of planets by killing out of dates ships and the same time monitoring the distribution of food and medicine, is this theory correct?


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Отправлено: bulDOSer от 30.06.2012 14:47:04
Absolutly no. Though this theory was recognized by a large amount of players.


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Отправлено: omega от 01.07.2012 02:31:32
as i thought also i think doing such a thing may improve galactic wealth a little so drop chance may improve


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Отправлено: Klisan-57- от 01.07.2012 12:14:26
Its almost random process  :eat:


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Отправлено: bulDOSer от 04.07.2012 22:18:27
as i thought also i think doing such a thing may improve galactic wealth a little so drop chance may improve

True but practically the difference between chances before and after is not noticeable until lategame or with using cheats.


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Отправлено: bulDOSer от 05.11.2012 13:03:09
Each equipment part (droid, generator, engine, lezka, missle launcher etc) has it's own level of development. One day the game picks one of these parameters, for example engine, and in 80-90 (don't know the exact number -- some say it's 84, others say it's 90) days the planet gets the increase of this parameter.

Okay I'm late I think but those numbers are known now. The speed planet is developing depends on the nation (gallians being the best as you know), specialization (industrial planets being best) and the size of the planet (big planets being best). Big planet without specialization is better than smaller industrious planets.


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Отправлено: reminder от 10.11.2013 00:34:10
Each equipment part (droid, generator, engine, lezka, missle launcher etc) has it's own level of development. One day the game picks one of these parameters, for example engine, and in 80-90 (don't know the exact number -- some say it's 84, others say it's 90) days the planet gets the increase of this parameter.

Okay I'm late I think but those numbers are known now. The speed planet is developing depends on the nation (gallians being the best as you know), specialization (industrial planets being best) and the size of the planet (big planets being best). Big planet without specialization is better than smaller industrious planets.
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Could you link me to that info?

Also, although I read all you said, I can't determine that particular day. I have a savegame in which I received another rocket launcher by 3302, but I had to go back about a year and now I can't receive it.

->Savegame at September 1, 3301
*skipping turns*
At November 4, 3301 - a grade C laser is added. (third one in store)
At December 6, 3301 - a grade C Lezka is added. (first in that planet)
At February 27, 3302 - a singular engine is added. (first in that planet)

So, which date do I need?

(I hope someone will answer that.. pretty please?)