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In my current game I was trying to finish Keller off very late, Year 3347, and it looks like I'll be incapable to do it.

I knew that Keller becomes stronger and stronger over time but I had no idea how bad this could become, or that the too-late point could come so soon - Not that 3347 is exactly soon but in other games I waited till the early 40ies and still could manage him with some troubles.

The problem inside the wormhole is that Keller and his minions are extremely deadly. Most attacks do lots of damage. I am flying the Rock (Unique ship from Military bases) and it crumbles like a sheet of paper when being hit. Trying to grab the health package in the center of Keller's hole is suicide most of the time. And I am not nimble enough to stay away from harm long enough so Droid Junior can slowly fix me up.

I have a save before entering the wormhole, of course. Trying to unequip all weapons, then reequip inside the wormhole seems not to help (like it does whith normal wormholes).

Regarding weapons I can mix and match between three Multi-Resonators, two IMHOs and a whole bank of missile launchers.

Questions:

• Doesn't the trick of flying with unequipped weapons into the hole work with Keller's or did I just not notice the effect?
• Does the difficulty setting regarding 'black holes' apply to the Keller-battle? I have it at the highest level, of course, but not for the first time.
• Is it known how Keller's strength progresses? Is it just over time or some other variables (e.g. I have 2.5 or 3.5K Dominator kills, over 1.2M experience and 54 mio CR in cash, not counting a huge stash of spare equipment on diverse planets).
• Any other ideas?

Is it known how Keller's strength progresses? Is it just over time or some other variables

His strength also depends on how often you visit him in the hole. There's no secret that Keller is a real help for artefacts' getting, but every time you enter his hole, he gains additional strength for the next meeting. :)
I do not remember the last time I played the game and I've forgotten quite a lot of useful information to answer the rest of your questions. :shy:

Doesn't the trick of flying with unequipped weapons into the hole work with Keller's or did I just not notice the effect?

No it doesn*t help in Kellers wormhole... :wacko:

Any other ideas?

Try to find five "stream blasters" and than fly in the wormhole backwards making circles. :bow: Health package is reborning every one minute... :wise:
Good luck for you! :gamer:
 

Health package is reborning every one minute...

No! Time differs every time you enter the hole for the new art. The more entries - the longer period of health reappearence.

Good lack for you!

Hope, you meant luck? :)

Hope, you meant luck? (http://Smileys/eg/sm01.gif)

yesss... :shy: it*s mechanical  mistake ...

No! Time differs every time you enter the hole for the new art. The more entries - the longer period of health reappearence.

excuse me, but i don*t think so...

excuse me, but i don*t think so...

Whatever you think, the time really differs... :bow:

Read here (http://www.elementalgames.com:81/forum/msg.php?lang=rus&forum=gotostar&theme=375&msg=3931&highlight=%E0%EF%F2%E5%F7%EA%E8+%E2+%CA%D7%C4#msg3931)

Read here (http://www.elementalgames.com:81/forum/msg.php?lang=rus&forum=gotostar&theme=375&msg=3931&highlight=%E0%EF%F2%E5%F7%EA%E8+%E2+%CA%D7%C4#msg3931)

There's nothing in his words to have any influence upon my opinion, since my experience gives me the right to insist on those of mine! You'd better rely on your own experience, rather than trust someone else! ;)

Цитата: MASter-UA от 14.11.2010 16:46:21

Read here (http://www.elementalgames.com:81/forum/msg.php?lang=rus&forum=gotostar&theme=375&msg=3931&highlight=%E0%EF%F2%E5%F7%EA%E8+%E2+%CA%D7%C4#msg3931)

There's nothing in his words to have any influence upon my opinion, since my experience gives me the right to insist on those of mine! You'd better rely on your own experience, rather than trust someone else! ;)

The mans opinion matchs with my experience and i don*t have any reason to say that he isn*t right/

The mans opinion matchs with my experience and i don*t have any reason to say that he isn*t right/

Ok, if you want to check this out just try these two saves from one of the champs I've recently participated.
The first conclusion you should make - is that time really differs.
The second conclusion - is the time tends to grow every time you enter the hole for the next time.

Hint: for better testing I'd recommend you to use cheat 'GOD' and a stop-watch.

Цитата: MASter-UA от 15.11.2010 06:37:32

The mans opinion matchs with my experience and i don*t have any reason to say that he isn*t right/

Ok, if you want to check this out just try these two saves from one of the champs I've recently participated.
The first conclusion you should make - is that time really differs.
The second conclusion - is the time tends to grow every time you enter the hole for the next time.

Hint: for better testing I'd recommend you to use cheat 'GOD' and a stop-watch.

Ok, I*ll try it and if you are right I*ll bring you my excuse to you...

Thanks to all who have responded,

His strength also depends on how often you visit him in the hole.

Fortunately, this is of no concern in my case. I have never entered Keller's wormhole before in this game. About the number of visits to 'normal' (i.e. Klissan) wormholes I don't know the exact number. I have maybe about 70 kills in hyperspace battles.

Is it conceivable that such meetings also caount against Keller's strength?

Try to find five "stream blasters" and than fly in the wormhole backwards making circles.

I've to agree that Multi-Resonators and Rocket Launchers look sub-optimal for this battle, and IMHOs seem outright useless, given that I cannot affort getting close to any target. I've had good results with Multis in other wormholes, but here most shots fly wide of any target. The seeking Flow Blaster projectiles are probably most effective. I certainly have a lot of those stashed away.

Using the VERTIX-cheat, I found these to be effective, too. Actually, Vertixes are the weapong giving me the most headaches in this battle as I find their projectiles hard to dodge.

I was intending to try burn away most of my cash reserves and see, if being poorer when entering the wormhole has any effect. Didn't try yet (ancious and dispirited), but between this or retrieving a better weapon loadout, all I could do would be going back many, many game years.

Is it conceivable that such meetings also caount against Keller's strength?

As far as I remember they really do. :bow:

I was intending to try burn away most of my cash reserves and see, if being poorer when entering the wormhole has any effect.

Doubtful.

By the way, do you use 'small droid' in holes? This is a real help!

He said he has little droid or what...
Mmm... vertix is not available in this version?  :gamer: This is real salvation  :D

vertix is not available in this version?

It is available! :bow:

This is a real salvation

Oh, yes, yes! :bow:

I made it!

Flow Blasters are probably much better than Multis here. But I also overlooked one very important fact: The damage done to Keller before he goes back into his wormhole carries over to the battle beyond!

When I made my post above I had a save game directly before entering hyperspace. From this save game I futilely tried again and again. I think I had made the mistake of talking to Keller right away when getting close to him. This probably makes him hurry, and he was going back almost undamaged. Big mistake.

This time I went back to a save game at the last planet which was close to my store of Flow Blasters and other equipment. Before Keller fled he was down to less than 1500 health (from initially 5500). The hyperspace battle afterwards was easy.

By the way, do you use 'small droid' in holes? This is a real help!

Yes, its name in the English version of the game is 'Droid Junior'

Mmm... vertix is not available in this version?

Oh, vertixes are available. I just had none stowed away. I was satisfied with the IMHOs. Of course, Vertixes are even more powerful. I just didn't find any good ones at an acceptable size.

I made it!

My congratulations! ;)

Yes, its name in the English version of the game is 'Droid Junior'

Now I know, thanks. ;)

change ur game version to 1.0. Tons of bugs, weak mechanic but small size of vertixes

Ok, I*ll try it and if you are right I*ll bring you my excuse to you...

Well, well, well, 2 days have passed, but I neither see any apologies, nor disproofs! :eat:

Цитата: MASter-UA от 15.11.2010 09:59:28

Ok, I*ll try it and if you are right I*ll bring you my excuse to you...

Well, well, well, 2 days have passed, but I neither see any apologies, nor disproofs! :eat:

Excuse me, but i can't test your saves, because I have problems with my back :( Maybe I'll try to test your saves in the next month... :( 

MASter-UA, Yuuki,

care to enlighten me over what your dispute is about?

Read here (http://www.elementalgames.com:81/forum/msg.php?lang=rus&forum=gotostar&theme=375&msg=3931&highlight=%E0%EF%F2%E5%F7%EA%E8+%E2+%CA%D7%C4#msg3931)

The mans opinion matchs with my experience and i don*t have any reason to say that he isn*t right/

Using Google Translate, everything comes out garbled, and I could at best guess at the meanings. I don't even know whether I put the right text passages through Google Translate. I have found no way to pass the whole page through the service.

care to enlighten me over what your dispute is about?

They're talking about the Keller Black Hole health pack respawn time changing with every player visit there:

The second conclusion - is the time tends to grow every time you enter the hole for the next time.

care to enlighten me over what your dispute is about?

The dispute is about health red cross in Keller's hole. I say for health-time is not strict and varies, he says something unconvincing. The reference he's quoted really has nothing to find and bears no marks of counter-evidence. That is why no Google-translator can help. :)

By the way, what is your opinion? :sight:

Thanks for the clarification. You mentioned the respawn time in your subsequent discussion, so I should've guessed it was about that.

By the way, what is your opinion? :sight:

Uh, oh... Of course I couldn't tell. But I did not try the GOD cheat to be able to have an eye on the respawn point of the health pack. As a matter of fact, in most of my Keller battles (all different games, I never try to milk him for artifacts), I never came close to the center of the arena. When I do, typically out of desparation, the spot tends to be empty. Kellers minions like the health pack, too.

How do you milk Keller for artifacts, anyway? I mean, which are the conditions to get away with an artifact from the battle without finishing Keller off?

How do you milk Keller for artifacts, anyway?

There are several methods...
Wait until Keller appears in the certain part of the galaxy. And when he leans out of his hole you jupm into the hole. There you meet no Keller, but earn one art. :) Then you lean out of the hole, while Keller jumps into it. Thus you do not suffer his weaponry in space and get the 1-st art. Then you can earn another art, struggling Keller in the hole. There are two variants of behaviour:
1 variant.
After Keller's hyperspace extermination you get another art. Aterwards there's a dialogue, in which you should choose the words that do not lead to Keller's fly to Klissans. Then you break the wall and fly away to space.
2 variant.
Before Keller's hyperspace extermination you should break the wall and patrole that zone. As soon as you finish Keller and he starts his disintegration movements you immediately escape through the "official exit" :) Thus you will have no dialogue but an additional art. ;)

BUT: only the second variant is needed when you jump into the first hole simultaniously with Keller. Thus you can get two arts only if you use the second variant during the first jump, and any of the variants during the second jump.